At
left, a golden frog, Atelopus varius, photographed during an outbreak
of chytrid fungus in Panama in 2004. The position of the rear legs
indicates that the frog was already sick. At right, a dead golden frog
from the same region. The species is now considered extinct in the
wild. (Credit: Forrest Brem)Many instructive parables have been built around animals. Here’s a quick cautionary tale related to amphibians, climate and the media — focusing on the extraordinarily charismatic harlequin frogs that have vanished from misty slopes around the tropics in the last couple of decades.
An enduring conundrum at the heart of the global warming issue/challenge/crisis/emergency is that the dramatic facets that matter most to society — how fast and far seas will rise, how strong hurricanes may get, how many species will vanish — are the least certain.
That is no reason for people to relax, many experts in risk management stress. The reason people, and mortgage lenders, have fire insurance on homes is not because they know the structures will burn down, but to limit the hurt should the worst, however unlikely, come to pass.
But implicit uncertainty is one reason global warming remains a bad fit for conventional media. Nuance does not make for a fat headline or big front-page play. And, as I’ve said a lot lately in talks and in print, you don’t get extra space in a newspaper or time on a broadcast because climate science is more complex. In fact, the more complex or conditional a story is, often the less space it is granted.
In the meantime, we’re confronted continually with the hottest elements in some new research, and our own tendency to give extra weigh to the “front-page thought” can get in the way of accuracy.
Frogs entered the climate discourse in 2006, after a paper published in Nature and widely reported in the media (including a story by me) concluded that global warming was a “key factor” in such amphibian declines.
The research was presented by the scientists and funders as definitive and powerful. Here’s the opening section in the news release distributed at the time by the National Science Foundation:
Climate Change Drives Widespread Amphibian Extinctions
Warmer temperatures enhance growth conditions of fatal fungus
Results of a new study provide the first clear proof that global warming is causing outbreaks of an infectious disease that is wiping out entire frog populations and driving many species to extinction.Published in the Jan. 12 issue of the journal Nature, the study reveals how the warming may alter the dynamics of a skin fungus that is fatal to amphibians. The climate-driven fungal disease, the author’s say, has hundreds of species around the world teetering on the brink of extinction or has already pushed them into the abyss.
“Disease is the bullet that’s killing the frogs,” said J. Alan Pounds, the study’s lead scientist affiliated with the Tropical Science Center’s Monteverde Cloud Forest Preserve in Costa Rica. “But climate change is pulling the trigger. Global warming is wreaking havoc on amphibians, and soon will cause staggering losses of biodiversity,” he said.
There were cautionary hints aplenty from the get-go. Stephen H. Schneider, the veteran climatologist at Stanford, was quoted in both The Washington Post and my story in The New York Times as saying the frog findings were tentative. But explore where his statements came in the stories, and note that one ended up on page one and the other did not. (Neither story was inaccurate, mind you, just organized differently.)
Now, it turns out that the mix of forces that caused these colorful residents of cloud forests to vanish from misty slopes remains contentious even though they have become an icon in discussions of extinction dangers from rapid climate change. See my short piece in this week’s Science Times for more on this.
The definitive elements of that 2006 paper have continued to reverberate, while the caveats have often been left behind. Here’s how the Nature paper was described last year in the report on impacts of climate change from Working Group 2 of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (chapter 1 at the link below):
“For example, a recent extinction of around 75 species of frogs, endemic to the American tropics, was most probably due to a pathogenic fungus (Batrachochytrium), outbreaks of which have been greatly enhanced by global warming (Pounds et al., 2006).”
What’s a journalist (or citizen) to do? The more definitive a statement, the more effort should go into testing its basis. Somehow, we need to figure out a better way to deal with complexity and uncertainty. That goes for scientists, journal publishers, and definitely journalists and readers.



2008
7:56 pm
Global Warming is part of a broader concern for the enviornment and development in general. The problem is the apcolypse now syndrome that is quite commonplace as a means to frighten people into “awarness”. Does this story disprove the possible affects of man made warming, of course not. Does it illustrate why people should be quite skeptical, yes. Does it also illustrate the sheer stupidty and arrogance of people who link those who question with holocaust denial? Absolutley!
— Posted by robert verdi
2008
8:11 pm
My checkered past includes work on climate, fungi, and amphibians. I have never found the original “tie” between climate change the disease dynamics at all convincing. An interesting speculation- but really not more than that.
Scientists are far from immune to the tendency of “I think, maybe…” to change to “he thinks…” then to “he says…” then to “I’ve heard it’s true that..” and then you can find it as fact in textbooks.
That’s not ever going to change; it’s a human failing.
The only antidote is the same as recommended to us by Tom Jefferson for the preservation of freedom - eternal vigilance - and a really thorough education.
In other words, it will always be hard work- and contentious.
— Posted by Greenpa
2008
8:11 pm
Andrew,
As your own links show, the cause of disappearing frogs has been reported to be from a variety of factors since the late 80s. Not conincidently, in my view, they often track the “scare of the day.”
I can remember reading studies that purported to show that higher UV radiation from ozone depletion was causing frogs to disappear, this despite the fact that the experiments amounted to the same increased UV exposure as relocating the frogs about 50 miles south would have. Later, as estrogen mimickers (”surfactants gone bad”) became the rage, they too were the cause, with various “smoking gun” studies appearing.
And of course, depending on ones agenda, habitat disappearance, various pesticides, maybe even power lines and water fluoridation for all I know, have been fingered as a cause of the problem. I may have missed it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if drugs in human sewage will soon spawn a spate of dead frog and emasculated alligator articles.
And of course, all of these easily exploit the media weakness that you focus on. Issue enough press releases that appeal to the leanings of many modern day journalists, and presto, lots of coverage, at least for a year or two.
— Posted by John M
2008
8:12 pm
Yet another reason I should give thanks to where I live with the chorus of bellowing frogs singing, singing, singing outside in my surrounding pastures both day and night. Every night I am lulled to sleep by the most incredible croaking of hundreds, if not thousands, of some single or multiple species of frog. I am so happy to hear them. I used to hear coyotes too….but I can guess what’s happened to them. Development is sending them away. Now global warming is sending the frogs away, along with many other species.
This just makes me sick, AGAIN. It is these and many thousands more species who are bearing the brunt of this climate crisis which is absolutely our responsibility to address in the ways we can.
What is everyone to do? Quit denying there is a climate problem called “global warming.”
Let me tell you, if you were showing us a picture of a human baby covered in a fungus on the left, then a human baby dead in the right picture, and attributing it to global warming, we wouldn’t be “discussing”, “what are we to do?” We’d most certainly be in litigation with some company and/or institution suing them while also implementing a “remedy or solution.” Shame on us for not addressing the non human victims with the same urgency we would if they were human.
Extinction is forever. Aside from the loss of all these marvelously colorful, beautiful, pertinent frogs, Dr. Pound’s prediction, along with the hundreds of other scientists who support global warming that the staggering loss of biodiversity will continue to be overwhelming is gut wrenching.
I don’t want to imagine what that will be.
But I’m guessing amphibians won’t be the only species suffering from outbreaks of dangerous pathogens and fungi as the climate warms. It will inevitably hit us too. It’s only a matter of time.
And as I’ve witnessed in the natural world, “monoculture”, i.e., the human species, is ripe and ready for a terrible pandemic. We’ll get our turn here soon enough if we don’t wake up and make this front page status.
Keep showing us these pictures, Andy. Nothing like a visual to create impact.
Elizabeth Tjader
— Posted by Elizabeth Tjader
2008
8:13 pm
Andrew Revkin has opened an important discussion about the meaning of “uncertainty.” There’s a big difference between “risk” and “uncertainty” that needs better definitions from qualified people so we can all communicate better with each other.
My preferred use of the word “risk” is when there is enough evidence in science, engineering or other disciplines to establish firm, quantifiable sets of data or infomation to be used in a probabalistic sense for decision making.
“Uncertainty” arises from the very possibility of
unpredictable events occuring. This issue should be
examined more closely by those more experienced
in philosophy, logic or associated disciplines.
We’re fortunate English is a great language
for defining an appropriate and practical solution to this language problem most of us can agree with.
— Posted by juan siglo
2008
8:18 pm
After describled glaciers and ice are melting away, this article is another strong proof for global warming. Arguing wheter ocean or land temperature raise to decide global warming is no meaning. We should see these one by one reality is happening. These phenomena show that it is global warming. The picture of frogs are so colorful and lovely, but like glaciers they will go forever because our human caused global warming. Soon our grand children will see them at museum. Nothing is worse than this. Ecosystem is food chian, without these frogs what will happen to our human and earth is important issue, too. Those skeptics, do you see this phenomema? Those policy makers do you think without biodiversity what will happen? I read Treehugger’s article, it said Bush administrution took away many endanger species for endanger species list in order to cut budget not to pretest them. Bush adiministrution are so worse, they never think about biodiversity of our world. The good thing is they will go soon, but during this 8 months, whether more endanger species will vanish?
— Posted by Wang Suya
2008
8:42 pm
Science, Probability, Dynamics, Comparisons, and Communication
Andy, as usual, good post.
That said, many in the media seem to confound some important things that are different (although related in some ways, but still different!) and that are not insurmountable.
One of them is how science works. One of them is how probabilities and uncertainties work. One of them involves risk assessment and wise avoidance or mitigation. Another involves the basic underlying dynamics of global warming as the majority of scientists understand them. And, of course, another involves communication.
These (and other things) are interrelated to various degrees but also different.
As you know, individual storms or weather events do not “prove” or “disprove” global warming and may not (in many cases) have anything to do with it. The same goes (or may go) for some, or many, individual species-oriented events or problems.
That said, the underlying dynamics involved in global warming are, as far as most scientists feel, very real, very understandable, demonstrable, and highly problematic.
Also, as you know, scientific assessments of uncertainty or probability do not usually go from, or merely include, “highly uncertain”, “improbable”, or “definite.” In other words, something can be “highly likely” or at other points on the probability continuum.
People should simply not confuse or conflate the degrees of uncertainty (and many of the dynamics) involved in individual weather events, or (in many cases) individual species problems, with the degrees of likelihood associated with the underlying dynamics of global warming.
And, of course, the whole risk-insurance concept can be used correctly or can be used in ways that create a huge misimpression. For example, any given individual house is very unlikely to burn down, at least in most areas. Yet, many people have fire insurance, for good reason (depending on the circumstances and price). But, most climate scientists are NOT telling us that global warming, or even substantial negative ramifications of global warming, are NOT likely to happen. Indeed, they are telling us quite the opposite. They are saying that, if we continue with “status quo”, global warming is very likely to happen in degrees that, ultimately, will very likely be quite, quite, problematic.
Without going into more detail here, it’s clear that all of these concepts are relevant, but it’s also clear that they are relevant in particular ways and that some examples are not relevant or are downright confusing or misleading. Although insurance is one helpful concept to use in explaining part of the issue we face, it is highly misleading to think that our situation parallels that of an owner of a home, in a regular neighborhood, trying to decide if she/he should buy fire insurance.
The fact that these comparison and communication questions exist, i.e., the fact that they are relevant to the issue, is not surprising and does not bother me. In fact, I’m glad that these concepts are relevant, and their relevance does not (of course) depend on me or anyone else. Instead, what bothers me is this: We humans (including the media) should have understood how these concepts apply to our understanding of global warming, and ways that we can address global warming, months and years ago. Why are we still wrestling with these questions, talking about the global warming predicament as if it should be seen as akin to buying fire insurance for a house?
(For one thing, among others, I don’t think that individual buyers can even buy a house in many areas without having fire insurance. It’s not even a choice that they are given, if I’m correct? You just can’t get a mortgage in many places without suitable insurance. Indeed, if you could buy a house and get a mortgage without paying for insurance, many people would probably do so.)
In any case, that’s it for now.
— Posted by Jeff Huggins
2008
9:04 pm
“…global warming is the trigger”
U R so FOS Revkin
http://www.junkscience.com/jan08/fearing_frog_deformiti es.html
“…Time magazine’s report on global warming’s effect on frogs in Costa Rica
Jumping on the global warming scare, Time magazine published a special report in their April 3, 2006 issue. Here’s what they say about frogs, “With habitats crashing, animals that live there are succumbing too…Last year, researchers in Costa Rica announced that two-thirds of 100 species of harlequin frogs have vanished in the past 30 years, with the severity of each season’s die off following in lockstep with the severity of that year’s warming.” (16)
Courtesy of Marlo Lewis, here are some facts Time didn’t report, “The frogs are not perishing from heat. Annual Costa Rican temperatures have remained remarkably flat during 1979 to 2005. Rather, the frogs are dying from a fungal infection carried by a class of organisms known as chytrids. Time argues global warming is increasing cloud cover, which limits the frogs exposure to sunlight—a natural disinfectant that ‘can rid the frogs of this fungus.’ However, there has been no observed change in Central American cloud cover between 1984 and 2004. So what is causing the frogs to perish in Coast Rica? According to the journal Diversity and Distribution, the chytrid fungus was most likely introduced by humans, possibly eco-tourists and, or field researchers, wrote University of Virginia climatologist Patrick Michael’s in a January 11 story in World Climate Report.” (17)
Lastly, on the topic of global warming, recent research indicates that global warming isn’t triggering a fungal disease killing off Arizona frogs. The culprit in this case also appears to be the chytrid fungus (18).”
key phrases:
**”no observed change in Central American cloud cover between 1984 and 2004
**fungus was most likely introduced by humans, possibly eco-tourists
Andy, –gimme a break with this crap. You still can’t tell us if ‘man-made’ global warming will produce more clouds or less clouds; more rain or less rain; more bacteria or less bacteria; longer growing seasons or shorter growing seasons; or more species discoveries
— Posted by Sanjong Thapa
2008
9:16 pm
The frog issue was brought up as several examples of overeager press release science by the BBC here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4923504.stm
Now it’s clear that funding to study frogs is not easy to obtain so one can sympathize with the creativity of the scientists - A link to global warming almost guarantees funding. Notice though that when caught out, the scientists are quick to blame the journalists. So watch your back! Schneider indeed also blamed journalists for hyping up his 70’s ice-age scare when in fact, as Craig Bohren recalls, it was Schneider himself doing all the hyping. These are the aspects about too many scientists that are so incredibly distasteful. They happily convert maybes into certainties for short term fame and funding but when they are proven wrong they blame it on someone else rather than admit their mistake. To prove their innocence they then point you toward their original scientific papers which engendered the hype and mention all the caveats they had carefully placed therein. Sickening, but this happens all over the scientific map. I find that a good guide of whether a paper is of any use is to search for the phrase “statistically significant”. If you find it disregard the paper completely: A strong finding needs no statistics, it’s obvious. Also bin anything that relies on a theory/model with no experimental or observational back-up tests.
— Posted by JamesG
2008
10:25 pm
Part of what is going on here, it seems, is the “Nature effect.” If your study shows global warming kills toads, it has a much better chance of making it into Nature than if you identify some other causal mechanism. If the cause turns out to be more pedestrian, you end up in the Journal of Coloured Amphibia or some such. And if your paper is in Nature, those pesky journalists (and I know there are several such in the room) are more likely to write stories in newspapers large and small.
[ANDY REVKIN says: I love it, although I might call it the Nature/Science Effect. ]
— Posted by John Fleck
2008
11:06 pm
Good points, all. We are indeed living in contentious times.
One might say: “These are the contentious times that try contentious men’s souls.”
But let’s keep digging around for answers. There’s still time.
— Posted by Danny Bloom
2008
11:10 pm
I lived in a house with the name Toad Hall. There were some toads in the woods on the mountainside on Vermont, but not the bio-diversity one would expect in a rain forest for example. Back in the seventies I stopped to talk to an old lady who lived in the woods. She said that she used to like the animals, so it seemed that there had been a diverse number of animals and that they were even at that time gone. Guess people killed them.
In the argument of evolution vs. intelligent design there is this sad truth that it seems we are de-evolving more then anything. Perhaps this is a result of a lack of intelligent caretaking.
Life thrives in healthy environments and there are less and less healthy environments that haven’t been defiled in one way or another. With global warming, CO2 levels really getting higher and higher, ozone depletion, acidification and other chemical malfeasance affecting otherwise healthy climates the problems are spreading. Sometimes perhaps it is true that gross situations can be cleaned up and that life begins to thrive again. The Kerry’s book “This Moment on Earth” talked about the Hudson River coming back to life after legalized cleanup.
The Earth is loosing its most elegant creatures. Tigers are endangered with populations in the hundreds. If I was more scholarly I might make a good long list of Baboons and Gorillas and kinds of monkeys.
If an entire provence in Brazil is deforested in order to grow soybeans for China then untold amounts of species are annihilated. Whatever frogs that may have carried special antibodies or were just nice little creatures who lived in these areas, especially specifically in these areas, they are now gone and perhaps forever. And if these areas were linked to nearby areas in the food chain or distribution of new life confluence then another condition for the ongoing continuation of special creature life is hampered.
This is to say that if an animal eats a seeded fruit goes to another area and poops it out already fertilized, and it can grow and support life that is involved with it, that this is disrupted.
Even the seed bank article on 60 Minutes Sunday night said that there were 8,000 apple seed varieties in the 1800’s and now there are only 1000 or something like that.
Diversification of animal life also seems to be shrinking, and not just recently, but from the past hundreds of years even though now it might be compounded with encroachment being in the ethers.
— Posted by Karl S Schwartz
2008
11:12 pm
I came across this just as I finished reading today’s NYT story about the vanishing bats (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/science/25bats.html? 8dpc) by Tina Kelley. Could there be a connection between the two?
— Posted by Irena
2008
11:13 pm
While Ms. Tjader (#4) makes a truly emotional and most passionate appeal supporting the preservation of species in times of environmental change, she overlooks the undeniable fact, understandably, that change is the operative word when describing this planet. New oceans open and old ones close; mountains of Himalayan stature rise and then crumble to gravel and sand; majestic grand canyons are eroded and then, in time, the canyons themselves are eroded into oblivion.
And all the while these profound changes are taking place over the long course of time, life endures in its tenacious way by itself undergoing change (evolves as it would preferably be said) to adjust and accommodate the evolution of the physical landscapes themselves. Unfortunately, the time scale under which all these changes occur is not one to be understood or allows our brains to be wrapped around the concept. Millennia and hundreds of millennia and thousands of millennia, even millions of millennia are involved, in incremental steps, wherein the Himalaya are reduced to a low plain of gravel and sand; the Colorado Plateau and its Grand Canyon is reduced to sea level; and a Red Sea as the newly-emerging ocean where hundreds of millions of years before the Sea of Tethys had opened and then closed again.
And what about climate change? As assuredly as a young child becomes an young adult, and then, in time, a mature adult, and then, in more time, a senior adult, and then . . . . well, you know the rest.
Allow me to point out another article that appeared almost concurrently with Mr Revkin’s “Vanishing Frogs, Climate, and the Front Page” that probably would not ever be referenced. I don’t know if this garnered front page status, that’s not the point. This pertains to an interview published in ‘The Australian’ under the title “Climate facts to warm to.” You can find it at:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,2341 1799-7583,00.html
The interview references the term “tipping point.” We certainly have read this term dozens of time in this blog site haven’t we? But this tipping point is “… of a different kind in the debate on climate change.” The interviewer asks his guest, Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of the Melbourne-based think tank, The Institute of Public Affairs, “Is the Earth still warming?”
Well, let me don my professor hat for this brief moment and ask you to open the article and to read it and to learn of the surprising answer. But then again the answer you read should not be that surprising if your intellect is rooted in the basic fundamentals of science and is not rooted in wishful or preferential thinking that what we have today must always stay that way, or is not rooted in alchemy, in astrology, or in shamanism.
Christopher J. Schuberth
— Posted by Christopher J. Schuberth
2008
11:21 pm
I’m wondering if there is some way to quantify the degree at which not only amphibans, fish, reptiles, and insects have “morphed” as a result of decades long exposure to DDT and other “miracles” of chemistry, but also the various microbe parasites they have to also deal with as a normal course of affairs.
Perhaps a little climate change in addition to a little “Silent Spring” impacts Rachel Carson style is a synergistic dose response kind of thing?
Many stresses at once are never a good thing to naturual systems in some sort of changing world.
— Posted by SteamGeek
2008
11:24 pm
Andrew, excellent post.
Keep up the excellent work!
Your blog is quickly becoming one of my favorites!
Re above:
Is the climate warming? Yes!
Do we have a problem? Yes!
Do we need to work together at understanding possibilities for sustainability and health? Yes!
Let’s all stop bickering and effect some positive change here!
Frogs today, and as if that is not bad enough, whats next?
Have a look at an excellent study by the conservation medicine group:
http://www.conservationmedicine.org/
they just published a study in nature. which analyzed 335 emerging diseases from 1940 to 2004, then converted the results into maps correlated with human population density, population changes, latitude, rainfall and wildlife biodiversity. The data showed that disease emergences have roughly quadrupled over the past 50 years.
Come check out my blog at the Healing Space with Todd Pesek, MD
— Posted by Todd Pesek, MD
2008
12:40 am
Since life mostly consist out of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and ‘reactive nitrogen’, ecosystems within the earth’s biosphere were established based on what element was limiting. The natural presence of ‘reactive nitrogen’ was limiting, until Dr Haber developed his process to synthesize fertilizer and it is now estimated that 35% of the reactive nitrogen in the proteins that make up human bodies originate from the fertilizer industries.
Most of the synthesized fertilizer, directly or indirectly ends up in our environment, partly because worldwide water pollution regulations do not require treatment of nitrogenous (urine and protein) waste.
We also know that microbiological activities doubles at each ten degrees temperature increase. So with an increase of nutrients (lack of treatment) and an increase of temperature (global warming), we humans have created perfect conditions for micro organism to propagate. I don’t know if this has caused the disappearance of the frogs, but what becomes increasingly necessary is that environmental issues have to be addressed by all the science disciplines that affect the earth’s biosphere and that many now in control, will have to give up some of their turf. Want to know why nitrogenous waste is ignored, visit www.petermaier.net
— Posted by Peter Maier
2008
1:05 am
Uncertainty, and the endless litany of ecological problems caused by rampant “development”, are reasons to be more, not less, vigilant. Technologies should be presumed guilty until proven innocent. Nature has given us all we need to live in paradise; we spoil it by wanting more, always more. Our insatiable desire for comfort and convenience is killing everything and one day it will kill us. How it is doing that is not precisely clear; *that* it is doing it is undeniable! Why wait until we figure out the details? All the indigenous nations have been telling us for decades that our ways are out of balance with nature and it will mean our destruction. We need to listen.
— Posted by daniel
2008
1:33 am
Uh-oh; first the bees, then the frogs and now the bats are being affected with an unknown malady causing them to grow weak and die. (See today’s article in the NYTimes.) Me thinks, perhaps, we have already past a point of no return and our turn is coming.
— Posted by Katheryn
2008
2:03 am
Speaking of ‘’front page'’ treatment, your story on frogs made one of the ‘’front page'’ headlines of the Drudge Report today:
“LINK TO GLOBAL WARMING IN FROGS’ DISAPPEARANCE IS CHALLENGED…”
(with *hot link* to New York Times website and your print article; traffic to that page probably was 2 or 3 million by nightfall)
— Posted by Danny Bloom
2008
2:27 am
In reference to no. 5 above:
“Arguing about whether we can or cannot already see the effects,” Ross Alford said, “is like sitting in a house soaked in gasoline, having just dropped a lit match, and arguing about whether we can actually see the flames yet, while waiting to see if maybe it might go out on its own.” This in reference to the ‘uncertain risks’ attending global warming.
At first it was the frogs, then the honey-bees, and now, apparantly, it’s the bats. [www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/science/25bats.html?ref=sci ence] The unprecidented die-off of bats in NY and other NE States, only identified in January, is now considered epidemic, although the exact cause is uncertain, as is the degree of decimation of the bat population. Better drink a stiff one before you read this one.
Elizabeth: In reference to your comments on coyotes, I would hope your assumption is correct that the cause is only development (and nothing worse). I have also noticed, within the past 2-3 years, an apparent decline in our local coyote population (on cool winter nights, one no longer hears their calls), but in this out-back area of SC we have very little development going on.
Let’s all hope and Pray for the best — about all we can do it would seem like. cmk
— Posted by Charles Kay
2008
2:35 am
Dear Andrew,
you correctly noticed that complex stories inevitably get less space in the media. Why? Because the media want to cover stories as simple as possible with as focused a point as you can get because they want the news to be relevant for - i.e. they want to sell the newspaper to - as many people as possible, including people with as low intelligence as possible. ;-)
This mechanism in the media is clear, induces a bias. And I think that every wise person knows that this bias is something completely different than the pressures behind honest science because honest science wants to find as true insights as possible regardless of their complexity and regardless of the “cool” factor.
So in the case of global warming just like many other cases, I would indeed say that if the economic and quasi-economic rules of journalism dictate that a complex story shouldn’t be covered, indeed, “global warming” shouldn’t be covered because it is one of the very complex systems on Earth influenced by very many complex effects and their relationships.
I am sure that people paid as environmentalist journalists don’t necessarily like to hear such things, because of their pockets, but it is true that the climate science should be getting roughly 10 times less attention in the media than what it is getting now if the rules about the complexity and space in the media were consistently followed. Climate science is simply not interesting for the newspapers. The main similar interesting thing for the media are silly oversimplifications and downright myths about climate science.
The story about “golden frogs” is too inaccurate by itself. There are many golden frog species and many of them are doing extremely well, including Eastern golden frog (least concern), related to Seoul frog (vulnerable, the mildest form of “threatened”, because of habitat degradation).
I don’t believe the work about linking the Panamanian golden frogs’ problems with warming. It is always possible to “project” the real life onto a one-dimensional axis and there always exists a projection in which the warming is bad for someone, good for his enemies, and can be blamed for someone’s problems. But it doesn’t mean that warming plays a non-negligible part in the actual problem of these frogs. Fungi grow not only because of warmth.
I think that the creation of such papers linking complex effects to warming is fabricated, politically ordered, and even among the papers whose existence is already questionable, media play an even worse role because they choose these simplest - and poorest - papers and hype them. “Warmth killed frogs” is really simple for them. It is also wrong.
Best wishes
Lubos
— Posted by Luboš Motl
2008
5:35 am
There is no surer way to turn off the public from taking climate change seriously than by hanging climate change on a series of ridiculously specific hooks. Frogs were the hook for A1 - big splash, then oops! Silly really.
May I suggest three “simple” A1 story ideas:
1. How about a straight-forward story on A1 about why scientists no now see virtually no realistic way to stop warming of 2 degrees - which per the IPCC’s conservative estimate means 20 to 30% species loss? (Do you really need a cuddly frog to get A1 - can’t 30% species loss do the trick?)
2. How about a straight-forward story on A1 about what realistically will need to be done to stop warming of 3 degrees - and what the probable consequences are if we can’t (per conservative IPCC)?
3. How about an analysis piece on A1 about the implications of planet sensitivity - should the target be 350, 450 or 550 and what are the potential implications of the different time scale targets?
The Times can do an A1 series on train crossing deaths but can’t muster the courage to tackle the biggest crisis in human history?
This is a very real, very gigantic crisis. The public has no idea about these things - they know of threatened polar bears and frogs. The idea that the publics perception of it is based on these virtual hook “feature” stories should be an embarrassment to civilized people.
Jim Hansen has done our civilization a great service in his warnings - and he retains his great American optimism for our capacity to solve the problem. Perhaps it’s time to act.
— Posted by kenlevenson
2008
6:37 am
one more thought -
Mr. Revkin,
This to me, is a straw man argument:
“But implicit uncertainty is one reason global warming remains a bad fit for conventional media. Nuance does not make for a fat headline or big front-page play.”
Yes it’s a bad fit for “conventional media” if you mean the lazy, self-important, star system of media, more worried about perceived “activism” than the story at hand, of which, we are too often suffocated by.
May I suggest a paradigm shift: INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM.
Don’t wait for the press releases - go and find the stories, dig, rock the boat, push the envelope in the best tradition of investigative journalism. You don’t need to be an “activist” to dig - you just need to acknowledge the stakes.
The fact that there is so much uncertainty heightens the media’s responsibility to get out in front and delineate.
The Times should have a team of investigative journalists on this subject - not conventional journalists. Can you be an investigative journalist Mr. Revkin?
And if my argument hasn’t swayed so far - perhaps you and the masthead can envision the multitude of Pulitzers that await you for such engaged, in-depth reporting. That usually does the trick.
(sorry to be so harsh - but you’re the guy wearing the target!)
— Posted by kenlevenson
2008
8:08 am
RE: #2 Greenpa
You said you did work on “climate , fungi, and amphibians. A link in the article said that the fungus does best between temperatures of 63 and 77. Also that global warming was causing cooler days and warmer nights. So a conclusion to be drawn is that day time temperatures are no longer rising above 77 and night time temperatures are not falling below 63. Do you know if this is in fact the case over the wide range in latitude where these anphibians exist and at the different elevations they exist? From your studies, do you have any information on day and night time temperature ranges prior to 1980?
Elery
— Posted by Elery Fudge
2008
8:17 am
From your print article, this last graf says it all:
Ross Alford, a tropical biologist in Australia, said such scientific tussles, while important, could be a distraction, particularly when considering the uncertain risks attending global warming.
“Arguing about whether we can or cannot already see the effects,” he said, “is like sitting in a house soaked in gasoline, having just dropped a lit match, and arguing about whether we can actually see the flames yet, while waiting to see if maybe it might go out on its own.”
Let the contentious times get it together, both sides of the aisle, we are in a burning house. Discussion, pro and con, is good. But please, listen to Dr. Alford Down Under. There’s plenty of time, but it’s getting later earlier and earlier.
— Posted by Danny Bloom
2008
9:09 am
It’s encouraging to see that someone is helping separate the wheat from the chaff in the debate about global warming. So much of the discussion is based on phony or simply flawed observations.
For instance, the much-quoted study a few years ago by a Professor Emanuel at M.I.T., cited widely as linking stronger hurrricanes to global warming (published or at least publicized just after Hurricane Katrina) was widely covered by the news media. But they neglected to note one fact: This study was based on data going back only to 1970. Previous strong hurricane cycles, including one in which South Florida was hit by category 3 or stronger storms five years out of six in the 1940s, were obviously not factored into this “study”. We know that strong hurricanes have been hitting our East Coast for centuries. Just ask the treasure hunters who dive into Spanish galleon wreckage sites that litter the Gulf Stream
A few months ago, the Times and other papers carried stories about problems with wine grape harvests in France, linking the situation to “unprecedented” warm tempratures and indirectly, global warming. But a five-minute visit to the web site for the wine growing industry for the region cited shows that vintners have kept meticulous records of temperatures for centuries — and the recent warmth in fact equaled a previous high recorded in 1540. Deja vu all over again.
There probably is some global warming, but if so the real science about it is tainted by an ocean of junk science and gullible reporting by journalists who have never taken a course in science, or slept through their science courses if they did. Either that, or scientific method has been repealed and we now rely on political debates for evidence.
— Posted by Tom Doran
2008
9:23 am
Has anyone mentioned the effects of acid water on tadpoles?
— Posted by Steve Bolger
2008
9:48 am
“Extraordinarily charismatic harlequin frogs” makes me think of the cartoon with the vaudeville frog WB used for their mascot at one point. I’m not sure what makes a frog charismatic.
What’s a journalist to do? Well I’m not a journalist (I don’t even play one on TV), but if I had written that article based on statements that turned out to be wildly inaccurate I would want to go back to those people and ask them how they justify their previous statements.
“First clear proof” is pretty assertive. For subsequent research to invalidate it after they used terms like that calls into question whether they engaged in intentional misconduct.
Ask to see their degrees and credentials, then double-check with the issuing institutions to make sure they’re real. Report them to their professional associations. Never ever ever rely on them as sources for another article.
OK, I’m glad I got that out of my system.
Another question is why you or anyone else repeated the logical fallacy that global warming “caused” the disease outbreaks. Global warming could “worsen” disease outbreaks, it could “increase” disease outbreaks, but it isn’t clear to me that is could “cause” disease outbreaks.
You can say I’m nitpicking at the choice of words, but I think that word fundamentally changes the story. I’ll bet it wouldn’t have been a front page story without that word.
— Posted by Duncan
2008
9:58 am
#25 Elery Fudge- “So a conclusion to be drawn is that day time temperatures are no longer rising above 77 and night time temperatures are not falling below 63. Do you know if this is in fact the case over the wide range in latitude where these anphibians exist and at the different elevations they exist? From your studies, do you have any information on day and night time temperature ranges prior to 1980?”
“Do you KNOW” - no, I do NOT; and NEITHER do the guys drawing these conclusions. Exactly. A difference- I KNOW the data available is pretty thin to draw such far reaching conclusions here- particularly in regard to such tenuous connections as probable cloud formation; and I tend to doubt that the herpetologists reaching for answers here are as thoroughly aware.
There IS some information on daytime/nighttime temperature ranges- but it is going to be spotty- and subject to huge variations in reliability depending on microsite aspects of where the thermometer was; who was reading the thermometer, and who was keeping the data. Those data are priceless; but only good “indications” of what was going on.
Basically- in my mind, the conclusions they drew would require data with 6 significant digits; say good data where 679351 - means exactly that. The reality is; the data available is likely only good to TWO digits- 67 - and the rest is guessing.
Guessing is good- it leads to the next questions- but it’s not the same as a “conclusion”.
Which is NOT to say that all climate models are based on inadequate data- many of them are SOLID. :-) This one is iffy. In my opinion.
— Posted by Greenpa
2008
10:00 am
Lets see, “researchers” spreading chytrid fungus with their nets, shoes and equipment, then lamenting the demise of the frogs. Of course, global warming is a convenient scapegoat, even in the absence of a mechanism by which it brings about the frog’s demise.
This started with the bad science that was blaming ozone depletion on dying and deformed frogs, which was the origin of the initial spread of the fungus. At the time, no one knew it was a frog killer, and no precautions were taken to avoid the spread. If only they would stay the heck away from the frogs, nature would take care of itself.
— Posted by iurockhead
2008
10:17 am
Interesting posts, and it’s nice to hear from some new contributors.
A species or genus provides a hook for a story, but lacking even in detailed reportage are explanations of how ecosystems function. Wherever certain creatures operate in the food chain, when they disappear there are cascading effects. This can be the case for frogs, salmon, wolves, tree voles, and fungi and earthworms, too.
As species disappear (a daily occurrence these days), life is thrown out of balance. The webs that took so many millions of years to reach their present form become not only impoverished in terms of fertility and biomass, they become less resistant to all kinds of environmental stressors. This is how global warming and our other savage assaults on nature reinforce each other.
A good summary is a book written by the Oregon Department of Forestry, called “Cumulative Effects of Logging in the Pacific Northwest”. It describes how watersheds and forests that have been degraded by industrial logging head into different biological trajectories altogether.
When ecosystems are dramatically altered, they become vulnerable to more debilitating assaults from fungi, insects, and invasive species. There are many examples of this. Areas as remote as the Arctic and the Costa Rica rainforest are also hit with our toxic assaults.
Recommended books on this subject: The Sixth Extinction, River of Doubt, and The Wisdom of the Native Americans.
We are living in a planetary emergency, and the territory we are headed to is not unknown: it already contains horrors for all to see, of ravaged ecosystems and desperate human and animal populations, soon to face soaring temperatures. Paved subdivisions in the US with 3,000′ houses and SUV’s out front are just as monstrous as smog over Peking to those of us who are paying attention.
Monsanto and Dow are not going to save us: they are part of the problem. And we don’t need a new way of thinking- we need instead to return to the thinking of our ancestors. There are still older cultures remaining that respect the miracle that is life on earth. And in some places, like among the descendants of the Vikings and nomadic tribes, these instincts remain. Let’s listen to them, and renew our commitments to act for change, whatever the personal cost. Scientists, some of whom are showing increasing courage and commitment, must join us in this effort, and refuse to be silenced or corrupted.
— Posted by Mike Roddy
2008
10:57 am
I am in the middle of reading E.O. Wilson’s autobiography, “Naturalist”. With great envy and excitement, I’m following along with Dr. Wilson as he describes his life journey to become such a world renowned, highly respected naturalist and scientist.
#14, Christopher J. Schuberth, your post is eloquently put. I certainly respect your thoughts. Many of us get the only constant in life is “change.” But when hundreds, if not thousands of scientists, biologists, climatologists, ecologists, zoologists, one among them being, Dr. E. O. Wilson, warn we are now living through the Sixth Extinction, a process unlike any other in history, and largely “our” doing, I’m pissed and deeply saddened. Dr. Richard Leakey, another great scientific leader and one of the world’s most famous paleoanthropologist’s, cites every year, between 17,000 and 100,000 species vanish from our planet. Some we haven’t even named yet. We, the human being, are having an irreversible and devastating impact on Earth’s biodiversity equal to that of a giant asteroid slamming into us. This article about the dying frogs, along with another article on the infected, disappearing bats, also printed in NY Times Science section, unequivocably supports the Sixth Extinction theory.
As a member of a species, the homo-sapien, largely responsible for such a massive die off of biodiversity, I would beg to differ it is not at all like watching the Himalaya’s reduced to sand through geological time.
Andy once wondered would we be lonely on a planet of only 1 billion people. I would not. I do feel eerily lonely however watching my dear friends, the abundant plants and animals of the world that make awakening every day so absolutely lovely, wondrous and joy filled, getting wiped out on a daily basis.
That is lonely, Andy. Not the disappearance of 5 billion too many people depleting this lovely planet, one natural resource at a time, as we speak.
Elizabeth Tjader
— Posted by Elizabeth Tjader
2008
11:29 am
I had a feeling “acid water” would start to become a buzzword. “Reduced alkalinity” isn’t scary or snappy.
Regarding the environment, I agree with the person who said we should assume humans are guilty unless proven otherwise because we often are. However you have to identify the real connection. It can be poaching, poor land use, pollution, trawling. But blaming everything on CO2 is counter-productive because the real problem will continue unabated while the guilty go unpunished.
— Posted by JamesG
2008
11:54 am
Re: comment #14
Dear Christopher,
I am not sure what point you are trying to make with reference to the Australian article.
In 1998, we had an extremely hot year due to the mother of all El Ninos.
Last year, we had a very strong La Nina, hence a lot of cooling, thank goodness.
The years in between were some of the hottest ever.
How this can be called a plateau, much less a cooling trend, is beyond me (perhaps wishful thinking?).
For the most complete explanation and the supporting data, please see Dr. Hansen’s two-page short explanation, here:
http://www.columbia.edu/%7Ejeh1/mailings/20080303_ColdW eather.pdf
and the much longer explanation, replete with data tables and references, here:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/illwesleyan_20080219 .ppt
— Posted by Tenney Naumer
2008
12:05 pm
>>
Story well toad, warts and all.
— Posted by Frogs on their last legs.
2008
12:13 pm
“And we don’t need a new way of thinking- we need instead to return to the thinking of our ancestors. There are still older cultures remaining that respect the miracle that is life on earth.” [no. 32]
All I can say is AMEN. Great post Mr. Roddy. One of the best I have read, in fact. Please keep up the excellent writing. cmk
— Posted by Charles Kay
2008
12:17 pm
Talk about Gordian knots! I remember ‘wasting’ months going over data only to realize that the assumptions required by the statistical method used to test the hypothesis for which the experiment had been designed and the data gathered had been violated. Considering the fact that it was not my design and that I was very junior on the bureacratic totem pole I truly suffered the tortures of the damned before revealing my findings, only to have said sufferings magnified
beyond belief ater the revelation. Conclusion: Homo boobus (formerly sapiens) is not ready for ’science’ and when that species does arise it will be immediately exterminated by Homo politicus already extant and flourishing.
— Posted by James F Traynor
2008
12:28 pm
Toads are a kind of frog. Despite what we all learned in grade school there frogs and toads are not sister groups. When describing Atelopus as “the golden frog,” there is no reason to always follow this description with ‘actually a kind of toad’.
— Posted by MSC
2008
2:45 pm
But I thought there was an unquestioned consensus that the frogs were dying because of global warming…
— Posted by rxc
2008
4:24 pm
CNN is reporting that a huge ice sheet collapsed in Western Antarctica. I haven’t seen anything about this in the NYT. What is going on with this? Is this real news or just some CNN sensationalization?
— Posted by Consumer
2008
4:57 pm
Andrew:
See, “Riding the Wave: Reconciling the Roles of
Disease and Climate Change in Amphibian Declines” at:
http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-d ocument&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0060072&ct=1
Dr. Karen Lips from the Department of Zoology at Southern Illinois University and her colleagues find no evidence for climate change as driving the epidemic against frogs.
“Uncertainty” is often the result of science which produces contrary findings and degrees of probabilities even within consistent findings. It is remarkable then that “uncertainty” is more often masked by the concept that “insurance” (or guarantees) may be had against more disastrous results arising by climate change by mitigation and adaption programs when those programs may be based upon the same science. I believe that matters in the climate science arena can be (man) made worse (witness the “dead zone” in the Gulf of Mexico by our rush to ethanol), and that any such programs should be made with “all deliberate speed”.
— Posted by BRIAN M FLYNN
2008
7:59 pm
The RECCE hypothesis (Regional Ectopic Climate Catastrophe Events) can shed light on the frog extinction problem and closely related human demographic problems.
The RECCE hypothesis will come under considerable scrutiny this hurricane season commencing in mid May. Based on the 06/07 seasons, most people already know the US will control wastewaters this year and there will not be any major hurricane strike on US soil. There are more than US$100billion reasons why.
As for frog species being RECCEd, two things are clear.
1. Amphibians exist and more importantly BREED in very narrow humidity ranges. They are remnants of ancient biomes that coexisted with land AND sea.
Lower order biomes like fungi also have very limited humidity ranges. It is most likely the two are mutually exclusive to some extent. So as humidity changes longterm, fungi will displace amphibians. Further species change can not be ruled out.
2.We know from places like East Africa and Kilimanjaro that atmospheric heat can be augmented from the Indian ocean to the EAST in Summer months and from the hot African plains to the WEST in winter .. IF .. there are anthropogenic ECTOPIC high entropy sewage and farm wastes stagnating around coastal fringes. This is basic THERMODYNAMICS at play. LOW entropy atmospheric formations tend to move towards high entropy(sewage) ocean level formations because those areas interract with the marine atmoshere to create differentially higher entropy atmospheric conditions. If as in East Africa the sewage is increasing due to demographic trends then ABNORMAL heat flows will occur from the east and the west towards the African coast roughly proportional to the sewage increases. This is the second law of thermodynamics. The upshot is that intervening orographic protuberances like Kilimanjaro will effectively be BLOW DRIED for much of the year, resulting in loss of ice at the peak and humidity at the lower temperate regions favoured by selective amphibian species. Mountainous Hawaii New Guinea & Mexico are other poignant examples.
Conclusion:
All world governments have to do to save specialised amphibians like frogs, is filter all wastewaters via ENGINEERED WETLANDS customised to each major ocean wastewater outfall.
However, its a bit like having an oxygen tent for the coal mine canary. In a sense the frogs are telling us much more than the fact they are going extinct. They are telling us that our leaders’ LUST for bigger democracies, bigger elitism, individual edification, profits and power are encouraging human populations & resultant wastewaters far in excess of what the environment and in particular the oceans can handle.
— Posted by Fred Moore
2008
9:52 pm
As alluded to in many posts here, the good majority of Americans (including some of those posting here) need to read Revkin’s colleague’s book The Canon (by Natalie Angier) to gain some better understanding and context about science before making blanket statements about any of the issues raised here. One key thing to bear in mind that one story does not the pattern make. In other words, whether or not frog declines are affected by global climate change is moot when considering the enormous amount of other evidence that supports the conclusion that major changes are occurring to the global climate system with cascading effects on ecosystems and biodiversity. The problem with the media is the focus on one controversial story at a time at the expense of examining trends across studies, years and locales. The emerging consensus is irrefutable. As one scientist says in The Canon (paraphrased here): The objective of scientific inquiry is to show us the world as it is not as we wish it to be.
— Posted by Dr LBB
2008
11:44 pm
as i’m reading about frogs and fungus then bats and fungus .. I’m wondering about pH. I know in humans if your pH is off you are more apt to get fungal infections of all sorts .. could pollution, warming whatever be changing the pH of the environment of these animals? or the animals themselves?
— Posted by TEC
2008
1:40 am
Well, Andy, you’ve done it again!
Much appreciation for your persistence in explicating the dynamics of major-media newsrooms = it helps BIG TIME to gain a glimpse of the structures/constraints/boundaries, as well as the decision-making processes/values (among other things, like actual ‘fit-to-print news’) that function together to produce headlines and front pages. I especially liked the metaphor of a newsroom as a tropical rain forest which you used in one of the video-presentations you linked to last week. BTW - does this kind of work you’re doing qualify as epistemic-journalism?
Also, I missed your recent cnbc-2 gig. If possible, can you please provide links to a recording of that event?
Let’s keep reflecting on your concluding paragraph’s question: “What’s a journalist (or citizen) to do?” and let’s also acknowledge what works. For instance, the journalism professor, Michael Pollan is performing some extraordinarily good work in writing/speaking about complex ecosystemic challenges in ways that are readily accessible to many folks. Granted, Pollan’s bailiwick is “food” and not “global warming”, and yet he’s exemplifying exceptional journalism via his coverage of such subjects as sustainability and biodiversity (two of the essential properties of ecosystems). I particularly enjoy his ability to articulate a common-sense understanding of crucial, underlying relationships that too often seem to be overlooked (i. e., a decent understanding of the structures and functions of ecosystems.) His audience seems to be growing and I don’t think he’s losing any sleep over whether or not his work’s in the headlines/front pages.
I believe your work, Andy, (and I gotta tip my hat to you, Dude, cause it’s extraordinary in quality and so enormous in quantity that I simply can’t keep up) in relationship with the work of various other Dot Earth blog contributors is producing an increase in the kind of public understanding that helps prevent/manage emergent eco-crises. The quality of interaction/conversation among all of us Dot Earth bloggers influences the quality of the emergent properties of the whole Dot Earth blog. Thanks for encouraging such emergent qualities that enable competence in managing complex challenges. Are we (as a subsystem of our entire species) capable of evolving, learning and improving to the point where we can contribute actual value via public discourse to the public domain in terms of ‘getting through the next few decades with the fewest regrets’? I believe we are and I don’t care if we do so with or without front page headlines.
Also, I want to acknowledge your occasional mention of future generations as a possible guiding influence (at least that’s how I view it) when inquiring about the kinds of complex challenges and multiple-perspectives we’re exploring via Dot Earth. When the well-being of future generations is actually considered, the subject of sustainability gets viewed differently. Such difference can make a difference when sustainability-related subjects emerge in public awareness whether through direct experience, formal/professional education, general media resources (both exposure to and use of such resources), whatever …
At least once within the last couple of years (I remember reading a hard-copy piece you wrote - it may have been in a Sunday edition) you’ve lent your voice to future generations acknowledging how their priorities (e. g., what’s important to them) don’t seem to matter much in the context of the day-to-day decision-making activities that most of us are being busy getting caught up with = and if it’s not fitting into that context then it’s going to have a hard time being considered news-worthy. I believe you’re shining some light on an unfortunate societal dis-connect = between two fields of inquiry that have a lot in common besides not showing up on most front pages:
* what’s important to future generations?
* what’s sustainable and what’s not?
If we don’t exploit the kinds of insights that can be gained by thinking and acting as if future generations have human rights then we’re quite likely to remain considerably ignorant regarding any subject even remotely associated with the subject of sustainability. If we do exploit such insights, we may want to consider doing so as a way to pay homage to the cultural practices of long-term planning as exercised by the folks who grew up around these parts seven generations before seven generations ago as well as another seven generations before that.
If I remember correctly, someone posted to an earlier strand on this blog a concern that went something like: ‘Now you want me to worry about future generations? Gimme a break, will ya! I’ve already got enough to worry about, and now you add friggin’ future generations to the mix …’
I empathize. If anything we’re suffering from too much information. I feel a need for help in managing all the information I’ve already got about global energy/climate crises. I find that the non-empirical practice of valuing the views of future generations helps generate some useful outside-the-box ideas on how to organize the data and information that empirical scientific methods can generate; especially whenever I want to learn about complex subjects like sustainability, design, evolution, etc.
I remain grateful for this opportunity to exercise free speech and glad that my effort is such that my Mom, were she still alive, would probably feel proud even though she wouldn’t agree with it all. I’m simply aiming to balance her advice to ‘behave myself’ without getting into too much trouble as I express myself.
Cheers,
paul
P. S. - about 15 years ago I read a piece on epistemic journalism in the Wilson Quarterly. After a quick & dirty search, I figured their on-line archives may not go back far enough so I bailed. Nonetheless, I ran across two items you may find interesting.
This first link goes to a Second Life character researching ‘market-based environmental governance’ (my quick glance suggests you may like it):
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/docs/SGerson_SLexper iments090407.pdf
This second one’s linked via the end of the above link and presents a ‘taxonomy of serious games’. If the quantity of young human eyeballs engaged in computer gaming is anywhere close to industry reports, then we may wanna consider (or more like recognize) that newspaper headlines and front pages are perhaps not the best way to transmit the kind of signal that’ll help prepare young people for managing the kinds of complex challenges they’re inheriting.
http://www.dmill.com/presentations/serious-games-taxono my-2008.pdf
— Posted by paul t. horan
2008
3:57 am
To me, the big impediment to action on climate change is that we here in the US are loathe to adopt a precautionary principle approach to environmental issues. Instead, we adopt a more courtroom approach: innocent until proven guilty. What, there’s some “uncertainty” in your data? NOT GUILTY! But this is incredibly foolish (refer to post #26 above)! We can’t afford to wait for the smoking gun. Wait? Haven’t I heard that somewhere before? Oh yeh, Condi Rice and the mushroom cloud! Weird, isn’t it? Bush and Congress were all about applying the precautionary principle with the intended result of bombing Iraqis, but it’s impossible to imagine a precautionary principle with the intended result of saving the planet.
— Posted by bugjah
2008
5:47 am
Everybody remembers Eisenhower’s warning about the, “military-industrial complex,” shoot, it has become the siren call of some.
Few if any recall — and it is never repeated — the second of the two specific warning he made in that very same speech:
The scientific-technological elite, Eisenhower truly was prescient. Read the speech, it could have been written today.
DKK
— Posted by LifeTrek
2008
7:25 am
Thanks for a well balanced article.
My primary concern is larger than the reasons for frogs disappearing.
The subject of planetary change, global warming and man’s impact on the planet has brought out a surprising condition:
TRUTH IS NOT THE ISSUE. Even if researchers could publish irrefutable proof about our impact on planet Earth, it would change squat.
Americans (and all humanity) are caught in a vicious cycle of politicians waiting for the public to demand action and the public waiting for politicians to act. Look at the current presidential nominations, nobody talks about decisions concerniníng the future. Dealing with future change and altering our habits appears as a guarantee for not being elected.
And the problem of where to begin seems daunting because so many topics are involved.
Kyoto is a bad joke, like the dying patient trying to make a deal with God, “I’ll cut down to one pack a day if you let me live.”
Here’s the news: The planet has zero interest in mankind’s survival. The planet is not going to wait for us to change. If, after about 4 billion people have disappeared it may be possible to sustain about 2 billion humans squeaking by in something akin to the Middle Ages, that might be nice.
I have a dream of two figures from the future coming upon the remains of a freeway and even though they know that it was made by one of their ancestors, have no idea what it was for.
Hayden
— Posted by Hayden Knox
2008
10:56 am
This just shows how easy it is for sloppy science to get headlines as long as there’s another “catastrophy” blamed on global warming. Worst of all, a great many people seem to believe anything they are told. Just look at comment #33. Between 17,000 and 100,000 species vanish every year? Get real. Try ask which. The answer is blowing in the wind.
— Posted by Lars
2008
12:58 pm
Well, the things that science journalism can do here all basically involve trying to inform readers about the parameters of science, understanding and reporting so they properly interpret what you tell them. First, as you and all science reporters know, science is a moving target — science findings are always subject to further findings that may modify and change the story. Published findings can and will contradict each other (often within days of publication) as new hypotheses are developed, new data is collected and new analyses are made. Scientists never assume that something is true, now and forever, just because a paper has been published and the public needs to begin to understand this. Second, readers need to be periodically reminded what journalism is — the reporting of the day’s news, that also may change tomorrow. The common public assumption that a report in the newspaper is intended to represent the immutable truth is a naive misunderstanding of what the news is. A story that reports that scientists see overwhelming evidence that global warming is occurring is not in itself a guarantee that the story won’t change tomorrow. If we want to understand the world, we keep reading the paper — every day. Finally, it is important to remind people that reality is complicated and nothing is really the result of simple cause-and-effect, particularly when it is some kind of large scale phenomenon like global warming or amphibian decline. Is the chytrid fungus killing large numbers of frogs in Central America and Australia (among other places)? The evidence now seems to be pretty strong. Could other factors be involved? Sure — there is a lot of land out there with a lot of complex ecology and a lot of complex environmental issues going on and they all interact with each other. Could global warming be having an effect? Maybe yes, maybe no, but probably yes in some places, assuming that environmental changes are occurring. Try significantly changing the temperature and the ecosystem in your house and see if that affects whether you get sick or not. The problem for science is to conclusively prove that climate is changing the environment and that the change is having an effect. It is a misunderstanding of the research that is really just making a tentative argument to support such a cause when we are “shocked, shocked” to find out that perhaps this argument isn’t fully supported. I trust Karen Lips here — she has been looking at amphibian decline longer than almost anyone. But new truth will, inevitably emerge.
— Posted by James Hathaway
2008
10:29 pm
First, Bravo! to James Hathaway (#51) for a clear summary of the process of science. More writing of this kind should be part of these blogs. It’s difficult to fully understand the methods of science when one is on the outside looking in, when one may be an information technologist assessing a complex issue in science. But when one operates from within, from the inside, as a biochemist for instance, it’s clear why science is a “moving target.”
Second, in response to Tenney Naumer (#35), I’ve pasted the essential component of the interview as follows between the dashed lines:
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Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.
Duffy asked Marohasy: “Is the Earth still warming?”
She replied: “No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you’d expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years.”
Duffy: “Is this a matter of any controversy?”
Marohasy: “Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued … This is not what you’d expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you’d expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up … So (it’s) very unexpected, not something that’s being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it’s very significant.”
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Back to my voice. Interpretation of data is suggesting that the warming of the climate is much less distinct than the run away AGW described in all these blogs. Elsewhere I have stated Earth is emerging from overall Icehouse conditions that prevailed for about 33 million years. During these 33 million years, Earth has experienced intermittent Greenhouse conditions only to return to Icehouse conditions — a time well prior to Humans. How much of the current warming is driven by Natural processes and how much by Human intervention is the detail in which the devil lurks. As James Hathaway writes, “science findings are always subject to further findings that may modify and change the story.”
The climate is warming, has been doing so for some time (notwithstanding that it in the past decade or so it may have been cooling), and in all probability will continue to warm. Glaciers will melt, species will adjust, Greenland and Antarctica may become ice free as they have been in the geologic past — but today the consequence of these kinds of physical changes will be catastrophic. We cannot stop the clock and we cannot significantly interfere with Planet-wide scale of the Natural Earth Systems.
Christopher J. Schuberth
— Posted by Christopher J. Schuberth
2008
12:47 am
Good. Stupid noisy frogs just keep people up all night with their ridiculous noise anyway. Good riddance, Kermit.
— Posted by tom
2008
7:00 pm
Christopher J. Schuberth stated “… we cannot significantly interfere with Planet-wide scale of the Natural Earth Systems.”
But we have. I recommend reading W.F. Ruddiman’s “Plows, Plagues and Petroleum” to see just how much the introduction of agriculture alone has changed the climate. As for the last bit, ‘petroleum’, let us include all the fossil fuel burned since the beginning of the Industrial Age: about 500 billion tonnes. The planet has begun to warm up in response, for the last fifty years or so.
— Posted by David B. Benson
2008
9:22 am
You can’t expect the polluted wind to blow away your mess.And it is another sin to be:”Straining gnats and swallowing camels”[Jesus].Garbage out is garbage in.Evil,which includes the greatest sin of omission–being thoughtless,careless, unloving–has its own prize,but it’s not pretty.
So it’s hard or impossible to know,at any size-scale, “the” reason for a murder,or an ecocide.That is no excuse for running amuck.
Running amuck because you can? Because of being, not just special,but extra-special? That’s all for-the-hell-of-it. We are all responsible for trying to face in the right direction.That’s all:Ask Socrates;or Buddha who escaped assasination three times.
Straining gnats and swallowing camels is a harder task than a camel trying to go through the eye of a needle.
— Posted by multiunity
2008
12:03 pm
Re: comments #35 and #52
OK, Christopher, let me see if I have this right.
You are saying that the foremost climatologist in the world is incorrect about temperatures, and a biologist for a think tank knows better.
Is that right?
— Posted by Tenney Naumer
2008
5:10 pm
Re: Tenney Naumer (#56). In answer to your question: No, I’m not saying that a less credible(?) think tank biologist necessarily knows better than the world’s foremost –and therefore most credible — climatologist (whoever that may be).
What is being said, and importantly so, I think, is that climate change occurs naturally today, has occurred in the geologic past, and will continue to change in the future. In the recent past, for example, entire prehistoric cultures vanished when climate changed usually into a prolonged interval of drought. Best example is the Anasazi (Ancestral Pueblo) People of the Four Corners Region of the American Southwest.
This dialogue reminds me that the “foremost” geologists of the 1920s through 1940s, including almost the entire, several thousand membership of the prestigious American Association of Petroleum Geologists (AAPG), ridiculed an emerging concept then known as continental drift. Truly ridiculed not only the concept but castigated also the proponent of the concept, Alfred Wegener.
All the laws of physics, they said, precluded against the “lighter” continents plowing their courses through the denser crust of the ocean floor. Then came WW II, and new studies of the ocean floor revealed that continents do, indeed, move relative to each other. But not by plowing through the ocean crust. Instead, the continents are carried as motionless “passengers” on a larger moving slap of crust now called a plate. Lo and behold, the former concept of Continental Drift morphed into the concept of Plate Tectonics. Some “foremost” geologists now even say that “nothing in geology makes any sense except in the light of plate tectonics.” Unfortunately, Wegener lost his life on the Greenland Ice Sheet in 1950 in his studies, of all things, of the behavior of polar air masses, and failed to witness his “redemption.”
As James Hathaway (#51) clearly states, “Scientists never assume that something is true, now and forever, just because a paper has been published and the public needs to begin to understand this.”
Thank you for your question. I enjoy the opportunity to share thoughts.
Christopher J. Schuberth
— Posted by Christopher J. Schuberth
2008
9:37 pm
Dear Christopher,
I have been a student of archaeology, among other things, for more than 40 years; thus, I am well aware of the impact of climate on past civilizations.
But, I also think that it is fair to say that, today, atmospheric scientists have many more sophisticated, analytical tools in their repertoire (e.g., nearly innumerable satellites measuring all sorts of things with a great deal of sensitivity) that are capable of gathering data that could only be dreamed of in the 1950s.
Today’s super-computers have the capacity to model changes in the atmosphere to an astonishing degree.
To a certain extent, I believe we could say that we are living in a Golden Age of scientific investigation.
Having said the above, I can also say that I worked for some years in scientific publishing for Elsevier Science Publishers and therefore am also aware of the process and politics of the publication of research articles. It is not a perfect system, but no one has come up with a better alternative.
Best regards,
— Posted by Tenney Naumer
2008
8:24 am
My correction in # 57. Alfred Wegener died in 1930 at age of 50.
Christopher J. Schuberth
— Posted by Christopher J. Schuberth
2008
11:41 pm
Cute as harlequin frogs - like polar bears - are, I think the media does us all a disservice in using these kinds of ‘cute’ images to communicate the threat of climate change (no offense, Mr. Revkin). Yes, animals and plants will suffer along with humans and so are part of the story, but what we really need in the media, in our faces day after day, are scary headlines and even scarier photographs of how our work-a-day human lives are threatening our survival. We need images like miles of cars jammed onto a 10-lane freeway under smoggy skies, or China’s factory district pumping out cheap goods, or the gazillions of energy-wasting lights that burn every night in municipal buildings and city streets. These are images that show how everyday human life is driving climate change - and these might help people make the connection better than frogs and polar bears. People need to see how their everyday actions and choices are driving energy consumption and thus climate change. As an anthropologist, I know that small changes at the household (individual) level can have a drastic effect on whether a civilization continues or not. The point is to get individuals/households to slow or stop the demand for energy so that maybe industry and government will act sooner rather than later. I don’t think the average person “sees” this connection, not in the media anyway. Consider this: in an interview, Mr. Revkin asked James Lovelock to choose an image that he thought would incite action on the scale required to address climate change, and Lovelock said “the Arctic.” Well, not very many of us live in the Arctic. Melting ice sheets at the North Pole, like disappearing frogs in the jungles, are just too abstract to the average person to have any real impact.
— Posted by Denise DeJoseph